English 200
The Craft of Researched Writing

1.   Opinion on the student paper seemed to be roughly divided between those who really liked it and those who thought it was biased at best, boring at worst. If you liked it, defend it against the accusation that it's biased or boring. If you are of the second camp, tell us why the essay didn't satisfy you. Also, feel free to open up a more general debate about whether we can 'get away' with saying something is boring, if it is obviously well-written. This ties back to the talk we had about the Apples essay--as readers, should we suck it up and try to understand essays about topics we're not inherently drawn to, or should we only read what we like?

2.   Did you think the student paper was preachy, or did you think the writer was enthusiastic? Do you think it was enough for her to say, "I'm the first person to admit that I am biased against the SOLs"? Do you worry about being preachy in your own essay?

3.  One of you said in your Writer's Memo, "How can I make my paper more like it's supposed to be?" How many of you are still deeply confused about what sort of writing we're aiming for? Those of you who feel like you're on-track, tell us why.

4.   We're writing essays with a personal element. You can't pull that off in a lot of your other university classes. How does what we're doing in here relate to your other classes, or your education in general? Has your work in here (besides taking up a lot of your time) affected, for better or worse, how you look at your work in your other classes?

 


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Chelsea Mclea
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I think this class prepares me for other classes as well other subjects non relavent to English. I thoght this essay showed strong and weak details involving the way the children felt about music.



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Trisha
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i need t get a dialogue as soon as possible it is due in like 4 days it has to be 2 pages long send it to superteen_14@hotmail.com


erin zander
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i need to find a critique on some of jim morrison's poetry. as fast as possilbe.


benkahla    djilali
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hellooooooooooooooooo djilali55@yahoo.fr


Prakash
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Lisa
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Anthony Markow-#4: Trying to get 20 pages out of a topic has been a struggle for me. However, the writing I have done in this class has made other writing assingments very easy. Writing a couple of pages here and there seems like nothing at all. One of my fraternity brothers asked me to write an article for our newsletter and in about 40 minutes I had rattled off a 4 page paper. Granted it was a little long for an article, but the writing definately came easy.


scott Trolan  well for me, unlike in english 200 with expression tied in with the many structures and guide lines , In my Design Classes,  personal influence and expression is underweighed and hard to acheive with the demand of the many strict requirements in the assignment. 


nesie- The essay that  we are doing in this class is related to education in general in many ways.  First you establish your own belief on certain topics and you justify it.  Also writing this essay gives you a lot of useful ways to write other papers for various classes.  I think that the work in here has helped me alot.  This essay makes me look at other assignments I have to do in a whole new light.  If I can write a twenty page paper in here.  Writing a ten page paper in my psy class should be a piece of cake.


Ben: I consider this class to be my most unique class.  This is because we are allowed to write about and explore topics that are we are knowledgable about and find interesting.  In most classes, the work is assigned based on what the teacher believes needs to be done on a particular day.  In this class, we know what work must be done and we are on our own to get it done at a high level and have it ready on time.  I believe that the work in this class has done nothing but affect me in a positive way.  By working hard at writing about a topic that I enjoy, I know that I am only improving my research, writing, and computer skills.  Often times I look at work in other classes as "busy work" and I don't put much effort into it.  This makes for sloppy work and I don't get much out of it..


It is true that we can't pull personal elements in other university classes except in English. The paper I am writing in this class is totally different from what I write in my other classes which are mostly biology classes. I biology who cares about my personal experience and opinion. This writing class is really going to help me when I take my MCAT which has a personal writing part. I don't put much time in any other class compared to english 200


L-I feel that this class is going to prepare me or has prepare me for my other classes especially when I get in the upper level of my college career.  One you get in the upper classes your test are basically essay's and if you don't have the proper skills, then you will be struggling.  On the other hand this class has stressed me out.  A 20 page paper is a lot of work.  I can a least say that I enjoyed English 101 because we worked on a 10 page paper.  I can recall when I started working on my paper for 101 I was struggling, but it is so easy to get a ten page paper.  A 20 page paper is different.  You think once you spent hours working on a paper then when the teacher gives you back the paper and basically on the other hand says your paper sucks, this is when you get stressed out and sometimes wished that you drop the class.


L-I feel that this class is going to prepare me or has prepare me for my other classes especially when I get in the upper level of my college career.  One you get in the upper classes your test are basically essay's and if you don't have the proper skills, then you will be struggling.  On the other hand this class has stressed me out.  A 20 page paper is a lot of work.  I can a least say that I enjoyed English 101 because we worked on a 10 page paper.  I can recall when I started working on my paper for 101 I was struggling, but it is so easy to get a ten page paper.  A 20 page paper is different.  You think once you spent hours working on a paper then when the teacher gives you back the paper and basically on the other hand says your paper sucks, this is when you get stressed out and sometimes wished that you drop the class.


Angie: Well, I have to say that this class does indeed take up a lot of my time.  But I'm not saying it's a bad thing.  My history teacher has never asked me about my opinions on apples or music education so this class lets me channel out my own opinion on what we learn.  Instead of the straight "I'm going to lecture and you are going to write down every word I say" type of atmosphere that other classes have, this class has a more open-minded atmosphere.  I still enjoy those classes where everything that is on the test is told to me in a 50 minute period but i also enjoy the creativity involved with writing a 20 paged essay and reading works of literature.


Heidi:  These essays do not related to any of my other classes.  Even as an English major, I find myself writing critiques of poetry, plays, and prose but not much on personal topics or researched essays.  They either seem to be critiques or a research paper. As far as affecting my work in other classes, I would say that it has indirectly affected my writing by being a good practice for grammatical errors and finding a tone that works for me, but directly it has not really affected my writing.


valuska vanbolderlay:  I don't think my essay relates directly to my other classes.  In the aspect of maintain well time management that is something I can say is reflected in my other classes.  I am taking seventeen credit hours so sometimes I can't dedicate as much time to one class as I would like.  I think the essence of my topic has helped me in a positive manner.  It has given me the opportunity to express my feelings without receiving a direct conciltation from a shrink or someone of that nature.  This class has made me look at work in my other classes as something that has to be done.  Meaning:  this class puts you on a schedule which in return puts me on track with my other classes.  Balancing seven classes isn't easy, but deadlines help alot.  Thank you for listening to the words of the extraordinary valuska vanbolderlay, and have a lovely day. bye-bye :)


Wing Sin.  I think the essay we have to write for this class is helpful because in my other classes I have to write essay too.  I can relate how  to research at the library or on the internet that I learned in this class will help me in later.  In my other class I have to write a research paper and I already learn how to find outside sources at the library, so it will save me some time to do research.


I think it is pretty easy to write papers if you never get too worked-up about the fact that you should be personally engaged in your writing and thinking. Once that notion enters your head, it can be hard to write anything, you maybe get a little guily about BS-ing, or you start to think anything you say might mean something. I heard a nice quote yesterday: "Everything I do is a brick in a house I have to live in for the rest of my life."




I also think it has been really fun to spend time and energy on something which really interests me and that I have such freedome to explore. I love learning to take risks with my writing and there is also something very motivating about trying to explain why this fascinates me in a way which will also get other people involved as well.3682


Olga Kudryashova Although this class does take a great amount of time, I find it to be very useful, not only for my other courses, by also for my personal experience and knowledge. I think that writing is a very good habit to develope, it developes your creativity, discriptiviness of your language (written and spoken), and since English is a second-language for me it also helps me to increase my vocabulary.


What we are doing in here does not really relate to my other classes.  I only have one paper to write and that is in my information systems class.  I think the paper that I am going to do may relate to the paper I am doing in this class.  I think the work in here has affected me somewhat.  I use the internet a lot more and I am learning a lot more about investing.  So overall this class has been a good learning experience.  In my other classes I don't have  homework it is just a lot of reading. Craig Robinson


ED: I think that writing this essay has been a completely new experience for me.  In the past I have written research papers that are not even suppose to include the word "I".  This is something that I have gotten very accustomed to as I continue to write.  This makes it difficult when trying to go back and write my personal feelings in the essay.  I have had a hard time since English is not necessarily my strong point.  I think that at this point in my writing I am as confused as ever, but by the end there is no  doubt in my mind that I will feel that I have a better understanding and I will feel confident in what I wrote.


actually the work in here takes up a good portion of m time, so i tend to be more unfocused in my other classes... ethics and criminal justice survey.  that doesn't mean i am doing poor in them.  i think in essence my other classes are easy enough for me to allot less time to them but to still do well.  mike


christina benkahla.---  I feel like my work in here is better than all my classes this semester.  What I'm doing in this english class relates to my major.  I find a lot of information for my topic that I am writing about in my criminal justice class.  This class does take up a lot of time, but I feel what you put into it, you definitly get back!!




It has helped and hindered my other classwork. I have spent time working on my essay that I probably should have spent working on other class assignments, but at the same time, it has really taken away my fear of writing long papers. I have a couple of other writing projects in other classes and they are (comparatively) a piece of cake. 3682


I do agree that we should try to broaden our horizons and read a variety of material.  This does not mean we have to like it.  If we liked everything we read their would be no excitement, diversity, and argument.


I was very satisfied with the essay. She told us her experiences and thoughts in detail. It was boring only when she was talking about the SOLs and the education system. I wanted to know more about the institute and her experience there which was mentioned just briefly.


it was a huge concept with many angles and so couldn't be handled satisfactorily in a 20 page essay. This is stuff people write books about and develop educational theories for. There were parts which didn't really hit home for me, but I really thought for a sophomore essay it showed lots of thought and research, as well as a vested interest in the subject.


Anthony Markow-I believe that we cannot dismiss something as being a "boring essay" ,even though it is well written, just because you didn't find the subject matter interesting. If, however, the essay did not capture your attention in some way, then it was not well written. This may seem a little contradictory, but I believe that if a writer is creative enough, they can make an otherwise "boring" topic into an interesting paper. It all depends on the approach they take in their writing. I have read papers that I would have never read if I only judged it on the subject matter. However, some of them caught my attention and I enjoyed reading them, even if I totally disagreed with the author. So, it is not a matter of whether or not the subject is interesting to you, rather, it is a matter of whether or not the author is creative enough to present it in a way to make it interesting to you.


i still feel a bit confused but i have been getting good responses from lisa as to the direction i need to go.  i will also be visiting the writing center for more input.  mike


I got very into reading as a teenager when I discovered the great poetry of Jim Morrison (gulp). I loved reading that sort of stuff and DESPISED having to read things that didn't emotionally engage me. Now I like to read most everything, though I sometimes wonder if this would be the case if I didn't come to reading on my own terms.


christina BenkahlaI thought the paper was wonderful.  I found the descriptions to be very vivid.  I felt that the author put a lot of information but at the same time he put a lot of personal opinion into it which made it fun and interesting to read.  I realize that not everyone might not have the same opinion, but that's what makes it a learning experience.  When we hear different opinions on a topic or story we look at their opinions.  We comapre the different opinions and maybe we see their point of view.  I belive we should only read what we like; but in this course I think we should broaden our horizon's and read a wide range of things.  Also, just saying that something is boring is an easy escape.  I think if someone is going to say that something is boring they should have examples of parts in the essay where they felt it was boring etc.  Just by saying something is "boring" shows that they didn't read through the whole essay unless specific points are shown.


Ben: I was left with mixed emotions when reading this essay.  First of all, I thought that the essay was extremely interesting and intriguing when the author talked about the children and their love for music.  I found it to be astonishing that children so young can have so much desire to learn to enjoy and play music.  On the other hand, I thought that the essay took long and boring turns where the paragraphs seemed to drag on and on.  Also, I thought that the author was extremely one-sided in her view of the greatness of music.  She never seemed to touch any subject that might shine a negative light on any area of music.


Wing Sin.  I think we should try to understand essays about topics we're not inherently drawn to, so we can get different subjects from other essay and not only read what we like.    We can learn more than what we like to read.


l liked this essay. I thought that at first it was about music. Later it established something else.  A sort of big concept.  I am sure some did not like it, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  This essay was jumping around in some paragraphs, but it did not throw me off.  I think that you can say that an essay is boring.  Sometimes it may be just a lot of information.


the authors' tone seemed to work well for her for good and bad.  i felt that some of the comments were indeed preachy and not needed because it showed a bit of a stereotypical personality.  the comment she made about the "richer end of the county" kind of confused me.  i cannnot tell if she was being sarcastic or making a point about schools with a bigger budget can afford to work on the music programs. mike m


It's stated in question number one about Timothy Huer's essay that this essay was well written, but there's a lot of people of people saying that it was boring including myself.  I'm sorry the essay didn't grab my attention and you want to know how can we get away with saying something is boring.  The only thing is that other things should be talked about in this topic.  I felt like she got off of the subject a lot, throwing in things that threw off the reader.  The Apple's essay was ok, When I first read the essay I was like who cares about apples and who cares about an apple orchid.  Once I got into it, I got a little understanding of what the essay was all about.  I think if a topic is borning that the writer should write information that will interest the reader to write the topic.  I don't think tht we should only read what we like because we need to be aware of other topics.


Matt. Davis  I thought the essay was very informative with a good topic but the author did not use any tension in the paper, it dragged some.  I could not find a reason why a topic on education could not be satisfying.  The only thing I did not like about the paper was that he kept on switching topics from education to music.  I never really new witch topic he was referring to.


Scott TrolanThe untitled essay is a successful paper.  Even if it can't reach all the viewers as interesting, it is informative and well constructed.  Every essay has the right to use bias and  a boring topic to  write on.  If you only read what you know you'll like, it will give you a "dead end" or revolving circle of nothing new or mind-expanding




Scott TrolanThe untitled essay is a successful paper.  Even if it can't reach all the viewers as interesting, it is informative and well constructed.  Every essay has the right to use bias and  a boring topic to  write on.  If you only read what you know you'll like, it will give you a "dead end" or revolving circle of nothing new or mind-expanding


I don't think well written can be boring -- I think well written can be irritating and interesting, but never boring. I don't think you can ever get away with boring when you are writing for an audience. It is just a waste of everybody's time. We should read everything we can stand to, and we may be surprised at what we find out. Boring writing doesn't do justice to us as readers or to whatever the subject might be.


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Craig A Robinson I would not call the essay boring.  I also would not say that I was totally satisfied with it either.  The writer touched on topics that I find interesting music and education.  Even if the essay was boring I think that we should still read it because there is nothing wrong with learning about something different.  You may not be able to apply what you read in everyday life, but I think that every essay has a message that someone can learn from.  I also say we should read what we like.  You only live once.  If  the reading makes a person happy then it is all well and good


christina Benkahla


Wing Sin  I do like this essay because she uses a variety of sources to explain the idea about music, how children study music and their education process. 


I wonder if the argument that 'I couldn't relate to this' holds up... We have all been to school, shouldn't we be able to identify on that level?


Angie : The introduction to the essay was great.  I found that it drew my attention into the paper.  The bad thing is, though, that I thought that was the best part of the paper.  I feel like the author was trying to tie in the whole paper with the story of the little boy - Timothy Huer - but it failed.  She seemed to jump from music education to SOL's without any transition.  I could not find a general topic of the essay.  I see that the contrast in the two subjects and if the author had tied the two together with a general topic, I would have found the paper excellent.  Instead, I was left to fend for myself and try to figure out the paper only to be left frustrated at the lack of connection in the whole paper.  It's not that I am bored with the topic.  I found the first subject of music education with the Suzuki school very interesting.  I learned Suzuki when I was younger and so I have personal experience with it - and find the topic interesting.  But I do think the paper as a whole was not focused enough.


  i think the main problem is that on top of it being an essay of limited interest to me, i felt rushed to read it and respond.  i have a problem with managing time and when faced with reworking my essay and responding to four classmates' essays i felt bombarded with work.  i reread it later and still arrived at the same conclusions as before but i think i had time to see why it made me not like it. mike m


the last comment that begins with I don't think the essay was boring, was from valuska vanbolderlay


Heidi Bailey1.  Overall it was interesting and well written. She used good personal examples and I really liked her stories.  The one story that I thought was extremely helpful was the one about the little boy not arguing when asked to move out of the other  child's seat.  Although I liked her personal stories, I did have a problem with her information.  Some of her facts were not exactly correct.  I felt like she was maybe twisting the facts to support her opinion rather then using all the information.


Gordon MyersI had no problem with the biases the author revealed. She never pretended to be objective -- in fact, the whole essay was completely subjective. To me that was part of what held my interest. Even when I disagreed with her I was intrigued by her logic and reasoning, and I was impressed with her ability to mix her topics in a way which didn't seem too much of a stretch. I liked not being able to predict where she was headed. Several times I found myself saying Okay, blah blah, but then she didn't go where I expected she would.


I was extremely unclear to the thesis and topic that the writer was writing about.  I thought it picked up at certain parts, but I thought most of it was a little choppy and unclear.  It was a little opinionated which could make a reader who agrees or not get into the essay.  The indentions were extremely distracting so I was frustrated halfway through the reading.  This made it difficult to go on and be interested with the work.


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I don't think the essay was boring it was just very indecisive.  The author seemed to want to address so many subjects which created a confusement within the reader.  By the way confusement may not be a word but it sounds good. ha ha.  Her essay was well written but follow no specific directional path.  I think she should have taken a little more time to chronolize her paper.  She had excellent information, but what in the world was the topic of the essay?  Music, education, the school system?  You got me.  Maybe that was the  point.  To address all angles and to let the reader get from the paper whatever they felt was important.


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Olga Kudryashova Although the topic of the essay was not particulary interesting to me, I read the essay and I liked it. I strongly disagree with people who say that we only need to read what we like. I think that we sometimes even need to force ourselves to read some things for our general knowledge and information. Otherwise we will only have understanding about things that we like and we cannot consider ourselves to be well-informed and knowledgable people.


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michael manikus